Top-List Survey With Francis Beckwith
September 4, 2010
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Today's entry was written by
Francis Beckwith.
Francis Beckwith is Professor of Philosophy & Church-State Studies at Baylor University and is a prolific scholar of jurisprudence, the theory of law. His most recent book, Politics for Christians: Statescraft as Soulcraft, clarifies the confusion many Christians feel about how their faith should shape their involvement in the public square, particularly within politics.
The BioLogos Top-List Survey is a sociological exercise aimed at collecting lists of people’s ‘favorites’ in a variety of categories related to the mission of BioLogos, i.e. relating to the science, philosophy, and religion dialogue.
A survey question is asked of a scholar in the area of science, philosophy, or religion, who responds with their “Top-List” and, if he or she wishes, a brief commentary on why that particular list was chosen. Each new “Top-List” survey thread will be introduced by an opening Top-List from someone who is considered an ‘expert’ to friends and regular visitors, or who holds a perspective that BioLogos is promoting.
The “Top-Lists” are not a place for debate or argument. Instead, they are simply an opportunity to show and share what one values in one’s approach to the discourse of science, philosophy, and religion. By listing books, articles, quotations, figures, dates, events, links, etc. one can point to references and resources that may help others discover new thoughts, new people, and new ideas.
To keep things simple, we will restrict all “Top-List” experts to the same 1,250-character limit as imposed in the comment boxes.
This week's list was written by Francis Beckwith.
Question
"What are you three favorite quotes on science and faith?"
Answer
“For when anyone in the endeavor to prove the faith brings forward reasons which are not cogent, he falls under the ridicule of the unbelievers: since they suppose that we stand upon such reasons, and that we believe on such grounds." - St. Thomas Aquinas
“It is clear from a churchman who has been elevated to a very eminent position that the Holy Spirit’s intention is to teach us how to go to Heaven, and not how the heavens go” - Galileo
“This rapid survey of the history of philosophy, then, reveals a growing separation between faith and philosophical reason. Yet closer scrutiny shows that even in the philosophical thinking of those who helped drive faith and reason further apart there are found at times precious and seminal insights which, if pursued and developed with mind and heart rightly tuned, can lead to the discovery of truth's way. Such insights are found, for instance, in penetrating analyses of perception and experience, of the imaginary and the unconscious, of personhood and intersubjectivity, of freedom and values, of time and history. The theme of death as well can become for all thinkers an incisive appeal to seek within themselves the true meaning of their own life. But this does not mean that the link between faith and reason as it now stands does not need to be carefully examined, because each without the other is impoverished and enfeebled. Deprived of what Revelation offers, reason has taken side-tracks which expose it to the danger of losing sight of its final goal. Deprived of reason, faith has stressed feeling and experience, and so run the risk of no longer being a universal proposition. It is an illusion to think that faith, tied to weak reasoning, might be more penetrating; on the contrary, faith then runs the grave risk of withering into myth or superstition. By the same token, reason which is unrelated to an adult faith is not prompted to turn its gaze to the newness and radicality of being.” - John Paul II, from Fides Et Ratio
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September 6th 2010
Sorry if some of those quotes strayed from being strictly “science/faith”. To me it is impossible to divorce science/faith from the wider world of the thinking person.
—Merv
Reply to this commentSeptember 6th 2010
I just saw a good one on a roadside sign:
People who think they know everything annoy those of us who do.
Reply to this commentSeptember 6th 2010
“God does not play dice with the universe”—Einstein
“At this point must I not marvel that there should be anyone who can persuade himself that there are certain solid and indivisible particles of matter borne along by the force of gravity, and that the fortuitous collision of those particles produces this elaborate and beautiful world?” —Balbus
“... none who have the use of their eyes can be ignorant of the divine skill manifested so conspicuously in the endless variety, yet distinct and well ordered array, of the heavenly host; and, therefore, it is plain that the Lord has furnished every man with abundant proofs of his wisdom. The same is true in regard to the structure of the human frame. To determine the connection of its parts, its symmetry and beauty, with the skill of a Galen (Lib. De Usu Partium), requires singular acuteness; and yet all men acknowledge that the human body bears on its face such proofs of ingenious contrivance as are sufficient to proclaim the admirable wisdom of its Maker.”—Calvin
Reply to this commentSeptember 6th 2010
to beat my previous theme to death just a bit more: “There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t.”
And a new favorite quote that I picked up from the ‘science and miracles part 4’ essay on this very blog:
“The scientist, even when he is a believer, is bound to try as far as possible to reduce miracles to regularities: the believer, even when he is a scientist, discovers miracles in the most familiar things.”
Reijer Hooykaas
Reply to this commentSeptember 7th 2010
My three favorite science and religion quotes:
“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
— Galileo Galilei
“Bottom up thinkers try to start from experience and move from experience to understanding. They don’t start with certain general principles they think beforehand are likely to be true; they just hope to find out what reality is like.” - John Polkinghorne
“Is all this striving after ultimate meaning a massive delusion, a gigantic wish-fulfillment?...Could our symbol-rich world be of interest only to a pitiless nihilist? I do not think so.” - Simon Conway Morris
Reply to this commentSeptember 8th 2010
Let’s see, in 15 posts we have exactly five people who have submitted quotations relevant to science and faith. Two of those are ID proponents or at least ID-sympathetic. That leaves at most 3 TE/EC people who have come up with science/faith quotations.
The same thing happened on the last top-list survey (of favorite science/faith books). Very few people even submitted lists, and some of those who did weren’t TE/EC people.
Meanwhile, as surveys of books and quotations garner 5 to 10 replies, other threads arguing about Adam and Eve or Flood Geology or the bacterial flagellum or whale evolution run up to hundreds of comments.
What’s going on here? Should we infer that most TE/EC people read primarily (a) biological writings and (b) books explaining why we should interpret the Bible non-literally? That very few of them read many books wrestling with theoretical issues regarding science and faith? Or can we infer only that TE/EC people don’t have good memories for striking quotations and/or just aren’t into making lists?
Reply to this commentSeptember 9th 2010
“practically all the theories of orthodox philosophy of science, and the methodological directives they secrete, presuppose closed systems. Because of this, they are totally inapplicable in the social sciences.” - Roy Baskhar (The Possibility of Naturalism, 1979)
“If science is a search for reality and if science is a search for knowledge at the leading edges of the humanly knowable, then there are ‘sciences’ other than the Western science of measurement. One of these other sciences is Native American science.” – Leroy Little Bear, J.D. (2000)
“The interface between science and religion is, in a certain sense, a no-man’s land. No specialized science is competent here, nor does classical theology or academic philosophy really own this territory. This is an interdisciplinary zone where inquirers come from many fields. But this is a land where we increasingly must live.” – Holmes Rolston III (2006)
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