Exposing the Straw Men of New Atheism: Part 3

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Today's entry was written by Karl Giberson. Karl Giberson directs the new science & religion writing program at Gordon College in Boston. He has published more than 100 articles, reviews and essays for Web sites and journals including Salon.com, Books & Culture, and the Huffington Post. He has written seven books, including Saving Darwin, The Language of Science & Faith, and The Anointed: Evangelical Truth in a Secular Age.

Exposing the Straw Men of New Atheism: Part 3

This is the third installment in a series inspired by exchanges with Jerry Coyne. Readers might want to read the first in the series for orientation.

The second straw man I want to dismantle is the naïve “believer” that Coyne insists represents religion. Like Dawkins in The God Delusion and other New Atheists in their various screeds Coyne seems to think that the “majority view” held by uninformed believers with a haphazard collection of ideas from Sunday School is the true definition of religion. The religious ideas of these believers are then contrasted with the scientific beliefs of well-educated scientists. And—big surprise—they don’t fare too well in the comparison.

Coyne speaks dismissively of "theologians with a deistic bent" who he thinks have no business speaking for religious believers in general, for they do not share the naïve theology of the “faithful," who pray for nice weather for their picnics, or parking spots when they are in a hurry. The implication is that the "faithful" are the more authentically religious and the theologians are an aberration.

This is a straw man comparison for several reasons. Rank-and-file believers are not one-dimensional caricatures whose entire existence is summed up in their religious commitments. They are also bankers, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, and Wal-Mart clerks who hold a variety of beliefs on many subjects. Only a small fraction of their time has been spent learning about religion and only a small part of their lives is focused on their religion.

Let us suppose by analogy that we attached the label “science believer” to everyone who passes the standard roster of science courses in high school and affirms that, in general, they accepted what was taught in those courses. Now we have a group that is genuinely analogous to “religious believers.” Suppose now that a well-educated theologian was describing the beliefs of these “science believers,” and using the results to evaluate the credibility of science. The theologian would note that these people really were “believers.” They loved their iPhones and thought highly of the engineers and scientists who made them possible. They are excited about space travel and encountering aliens some day. When they get sick, they look to medical science for help. Sometimes they watch the Discovery Channel and they all loved Avatar.

But what would "science" look like, were it defined by these "believers"? From actual polls and other sources we know that the physics would be an incoherent mix of Aristotelian and Newtonian ideas; most of them would accept astrology and think that a “dowser” with a stick should be consulted before you drilled a well. UFOs and aliens would be accepted as real; some would report having been abducted by aliens. General Relativity, the most important theory in cosmology, would be completely unknown; quantum mechanics would be perceived as a way to influence the world with your mind and the scientific proof of free will.

Suppose that Keith Ward or Alister McGrath critiqued the scientific community for the collection of irresponsible things accepted by their followers, the “science believers.” Suppose they wrote books with titles like “The Science Delusion,” “Science is Not Great,” and “How Science Ruins Everything”? Coyne and company would cry foul immediately and say that the “science believers” were not authentic representatives of science, because they didn’t understand it very well.

And yet all of the “science believers” would have had far more education in science than the typical religious believer has in theology. Science as "lived and practiced by real people" is quite different than the science promoted by the intellectuals like Coyne and Dawkins.

When the intellectual leaders of the religious community complain that the New Atheists are working with caricatures, their concerns are dismissed. Watch the video of my USA Today conversation with Coyne and you will see exactly what I mean. But this is because they prefer to do battle against an army of straw men, rather than real soldiers.

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Roger A. Sawtelle - #34738

October 15th 2010

My Brother Papalinton,

You say that science is about life, however you have not been able to tell me anything about how science or atheism addresses the basic problem of living, which is, Why live at all?

Your argument against Christianity is all smoke and mirrors.  If you can argue that atheism is not about Communism, then you can not claim that Christianity is about pedilfilia. 

If you have a problem with authority, then maybe you are a libertarian or anarchist.  If so, God bless.

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Papalinton - #34743

October 15th 2010

Hi Roger

No, no science is not about life; science is a tool, something we can us to improve our lives.  Our search as humans is to discover our meaning in life, to make great use of our cognition and consciousness.  Don’t surrender it to some spectral numen.  That is abrogation of personal responsibility.  Don’t surrender it to some silly old tome about goat-herds and their quest to better their lives.  That is their story, not yours or mine.  To surrender your life to such a book is irresponsibility.

My argument against the raft of christianities is that they are indeed smoke and mirrors. 
It is sad to witness grown men talking to themselves as though they are being heard.

So sad

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Dunemeister - #34748

October 15th 2010

@ Barry #34297

“For most believers in science and believers in religion, THIS is exactly equivalent”

“I disagree. Where is the equivalence? You can say this about the whole of education. Science actually works. The fact that Joe Public can’t explain why doesn’t equate science and religion.”

The equivalence is that, for the learner of science, particularly in the earlier stages (say, up until third year university), the learner believes on the basis of authority. Until a person has at least a full university education, they are not even equipped enough to assess things competently. Heck, they may still not even grasp certain essential concepts sufficiently.

So the issue isn’t whether the content of “science” changes or not. The issue of my comment is how the authority of science is generated and maintained. All believers in science became believers because people they regarded as authorities said thus and so. Later, some of these learners come to understand the whys and wherefores. Coming to understand them may justify science’s authority, but that authority had already been established “in the womb” so to speak.

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Roger A. Sawtelle - #34766

October 15th 2010

Papalinton - #34743

Hi Roger

....  Our search as humans is to discover our meaning in life, to make great use of our cognition and consciousness.  Don’t surrender it to some spectral numen.  That is abrogation of personal responsibility.  Don’t surrender it to some silly old tome about goat-herds and their quest to better their lives.  That is their story, not yours or mine.  To surrender your life to such a book is irresponsibility.

Papalinton

I am glad that we agree that we are not to surrender our integrity and responsibilty to others.  I reject the notion that the experiences of others, no matter how different they might seem to be, cannot be helpful in discovering who we are and what life is all about.  That is a form of snobism.  Many of them were herders, but of sheep, not goats.

The important question is, where do you start?  Do you start with the ideas of Dawkins and others which do not lead anywhere?  I choose to begin with the world view that affirms that all humans are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.  I choose to start with the world view that have been the foundation the Civil Rights & other liberation movements.

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Barry - #34975

October 16th 2010

Dunemeister - #34748

” the learner of science, particularly in the earlier stages (say, up until third year university), the learner believes on the basis of authority”

But you could substitute “science” for anything in this context, like “Math” or “World History.” My reason for disagreeing is that by specifying equivalence at the subject level it implies a form of equality that doesn’t really exist. I think what you are describing is equivalence in the state of mind of learners as they go through the educational process. This is completely different.

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