Exposing the Straw Men of New Atheism: Part 4

October 22, 2010
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Exposing the Straw Men of New Atheism: Part 4

"Science and the Sacred" frequently features essays from The BioLogos Foundation's leaders and Senior Fellows. Please note the views expressed here are those of the author, not necessarily of The BioLogos Foundation. For more on what BioLogos believes, click here. Today's entry was written by Karl Giberson. Karl Giberson directs the new science & religion writing program at Gordon College in Boston. He has published more than 100 articles, reviews and essays for Web sites and journals including Salon.com, Books & Culture, and the Huffington Post. He has written seven books, including Saving Darwin, The Language of Science & Faith, and The Anointed: Evangelical Truth in a Secular Age.

This is the fourth installment in a series inspired by exchanges with Jerry Coyne. Readers might want to read the first in the series for orientation.

The fourth straw man I want to examine is the claim about philosophical consistency, which is used repeatedly to argue that science and religion are incompatible. Accommodationists like myself and my colleagues at BioLogos claim that a scientist can be religious. Francis Collins can go to church without having a logic-induced seizure or needing to put his fingers in his ears and singing “La La La La” while the sermon is being preached. But, according to Coyne, he can do this only by being philosophically inconsistent, and that is automatically bad.

A rather dreadful analogy circulates on this point, comparing a religious scientist to a priest who is a pedophile. New Atheists argue that just as we know that the existence of pedophiliac priests does not establish a philosophical compatibility between Catholicism and pedophilia, so too the existence of religious scientists does not establish that religion and science are philosophically compatible. I did my best to demolish that malignant analogy in a recent piece on The Huffington Post.

What I want to look at here is the question of philosophical consistency and exactly how high a pedestal it should be placed on. Is it the case that people or ideas that are philosophically inconsistent have no credibility?

There are two things to note here: 1) science is itself plagued by some deep internal philosophical inconsistencies so the black pot of science should exercise caution in noting the color of other people’s kettles; and 2) philosophical consistency is an ambiguous virtue at best.

For centuries, philosophers have tried to establish a philosophical foundation for science. Science, from its inception, was impressively adept at acquiring knowledge and, in contrast to warring religious factions, seemed fully capable of achieving agreement among its practitioners. Interest in how science worked ran high, both for its own sake, and to illuminate the dark corridors of other fields. A companion discipline called the “philosophy of science” sprang up with the goal to figure out the rules of science—the scientific method—and perhaps create a prescription that could be used by anyone seeking knowledge.

All of the earliest scientists—Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Descartes—addressed questions of scientific method, explaining to their generation how nature should be investigated. One of the more articulate discussions was that of Francis Bacon, who argued that science was an inductive enterprise. Scientists should free their minds of preconceptions and bow humbly before the facts of the world, which will assemble themselves on the blank slates of their minds into generalizations, uncontaminated by the prejudices of the scientist.

Bacon’s scientific method had a certain appealing purity, but everybody knew that science just didn’t work that way. Scientists simply could not pursue facts in isolation from some idea guiding the selection of those facts. (Imagine going into a town where everyone was sick from a mysterious illness and gathering information with no preconceptions about what sorts of things that cause illnesses. You would record birthdays, favorite songs, shopping patterns, vacation schedules and recent eating habits with no idea which of those disconnected facts were more likely to be relevant.) Subsequent efforts to improve on Bacon failed to produce a satisfactory philosophy of science. Perhaps the most interesting of these failures was that of Karl Popper, who argued almost the exact opposite of Bacon.

Popper advanced the idea that scientists should creatively conjure whatever imaginative explanation suited their fancy and then try to falsify it. Any conjecture that could, in principle, be falsified met Popper’s criterion for being a scientific claim. Popper was quite influential and, in a 1982 court ruling in Little Rock, Arkansas, Judge Overton ruled that creation science was not scientific because it could not be falsified. (He also had other critiques.)

Philosophers of science were critical of Overton’s decision and produced arguments why Popper’s falsification was inadequate. In fact, Popper should have known better for there were ample historical examples making this clear. Newton’s theory of gravity was, in fact, “falsified” by observations that ran counter to it—Saturn’s orbit didn’t follow the law of gravity. But he and his fellow “Newtonians” stubbornly refused to surrender and soon the falsifying observations were shown to have been misinterpreted—unknown planet Uranus was occasionally disrupting Neptune’s orbit. The chief objection to falsification is that there exists no simple way to isolate a particular idea from its larger context to in order to try and falsify it all by itself. Most scientific ideas are embedded in a network of supporting ideas and, if the idea “fails,” it is hard to specify exactly where the failure occurred.

Most philosophers of science have now abandoned arguments trying to specify the rules of science. Thus there is no specified philosophical framework for science to be juxtaposed against another set of ideas. (Anticipating wild cheering from constructivists, I hasten to point out that this does not imply that “anything goes.” What it does imply is that the “boundary” that separates science from non-science is not well defined. Ideas far from that boundary can be labeled science or non-science without ambiguity.)

Things get even worse when we look more closely at particular scientific ideas in light of each other. There is a widely known contradiction in physics between General Relativity—the science of the very large—and Quantum Mechanics—the science of the very small. In certain circumstances, like black holes, they contradict each other by predicting incompatible things. To believe in the truth of things that contradict each other is the very definition of philosophical inconsistency.

Coyne is certainly free to disparage religious believers for being philosophically inconsistent but he needs to know that every physicist in the scientific community, in embracing both General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, is also forced to be philosophically inconsistent. The physics of the 20th century turned out to be riddled with these sorts of problems. Neils Bohr noted this famously when he said: “There are trivial truths and there are great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true.”1

I don’t want to over emphasize this point and end up creating my own straw man argument. Coyne is right that there are important and profound tensions between the scientific and religious ways of understanding the world—tensions that do not simply go away by noting that science has been unable to articulate its own rules so that they can be applied in all investigations without ambiguity. It would be an egregious straw man argument to leap from this argument to the conclusion that scientific and religious truth claims are comparably problematic. Religious claims are much more challenging.

However, I think it is fair to say that there is no simple a priori argument that scientific and religious ways of thinking are incompatible. If you look at the reasons why some cosmologists endorse the existence of multiple universes, they bear a faint resemblance to the reasons why some believers endorse the existence of God.

1. Editor's note: Bohr was saying, in a paradoxical way, that contradictory things can both be true.


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Frank S - #37734

October 31st 2010

Robert, Muslims and Mormons say with certitude that archeology and the historical record unequivocally verify their respective holy books. They readily cite their own apologetical tracts supporting these claims.

What would you say to those Muslims and Mormons which may help them understand that their arguments are entirely unconvincing to non-Muslims and non-Mormons? Indeed, suppose you gave them some reasons why their claims fail, but in response they (1) disregarded those reasons and (2) re-asserted the claims they previously made.

What would you say to help those Muslims and Mormons step out of their provincial biases?

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Robert - #37797

October 31st 2010

Frank- excellent questions you ask.  I actually have engaged Muslims and Mormons in this very way a few times over the years. I tell them to compare and contrast their books with the Bible as well as seek to be as true to real historical and archaeological findings as can be. As i said, the language purported by them to be what was on the angel moronis golden plates has never been found to exist. No record of nephites and lamanites as well, along with the claims of Jesus being in the americas in the 19th century. With the Muslims i have shared about the differences between the koran and the Bible and how Allah differs from Yahweh and that we have artifacts and inscriptions which verify the historical accounts within the Bible such as the Caesars, Quirinius, Pontious Pilate,and cities and towns the Bible mentions.

The point you made earlier about how the Bible was put together, copies and copies and copies have been collected and compared to each other, textual variants and such   all have been noted and accepted and the consistency of the message throughout the entire Bible remains.

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Barry - #37812

October 31st 2010

Robert - #37602

“I would ask you Barry, what are plausible reasons for our existence, for love,for what meaning life has??  Is it plausible that we somehow are born into this world only to die, sometimes dying without ever leaving the womb??”

Evidence informs what is plausible. When we have no explanation it doesn’t give us an excuse just to make stuff up…that’s not plausible at all. We don’t know precisely how prokaryotes evolved. However we have an extremely good explanation of how complex life forms evolved. So, is it plausible to think that prokaryotes evolved, because we know that everything else did, or do we conjecture an act of extreme magic for which we have zero evidence and that would require a suspension of every natural law we have so far uncovered? And if we do conjecture an act of magic, how do we go about explaining and testing it?

And why has the magic stopped?

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Robert - #37823

October 31st 2010

Barry- your philosophical beliefs show what you consider plausible. God cannot be limited to the scope of naturalism and scientific method. Who says the *magic* has stopped???  Just because it does not happen as it did in Jesus day???  I would pose to you Barry a question about love. Do you seek to apply these same principles and probabilities to love??? Do you believe love exists?? How come???  Do you not accept mystery and dare i say faith are necessary to comprehend certain realities???

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Frank S - #37825

October 31st 2010

Robert, you’ve missed my point but in a greatly illustrative way. I said that our hypothetical Muslim and hypothetical Mormon have already ignored your arguments. They simply repeated their talking points about the veracity of their own respective holy books. Now you have done the same thing in response—you went through your talking points about why your holy book is the best. Needless to say, they don’t accept your arguments a second time, just as you didn’t accept their arguments.

You can all talk past each other for an indefinitely long period of time. What could you suggest to them and/or to yourself which might be a strategy for resolving the impasse?

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Robert - #37835

November 1st 2010

Frank- actually i don’t agree i talked past them   with my own talking points. I answered their choosing to ignore my arguments previously, hypothetically speaking, by giving them evidences they don’t have in comparison to the Bible.  I don’t know really what more to say Frank in regards to your wanting to find a way out of the impasse. Hopefully some others will engage. Seems like we have differing viewpoints from the get-go which do not merge. I share with Josh & Merv, you share with Barry. I am sure upcoming posts made on here will elicit more discussion.

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Frank S - #37862

November 1st 2010

Robert, the “talking past” is not a matter of agreement or disagreement, it is what happens when people don’t seriously consider what others say. They have already decided that they are right. They don’t take your arguments seriously. Likewise you know that you are right. As long as each person has an absolute, secure belief that he is right, talking past each other is the inevitable consequence.

Since I was unable to elicit an answer, I’ll finally give it. The way out of the impasse is for each person to seriously consider the possibility that he may be wrong, and to seriously consider the arguments which contradict his own beliefs.

The easiest thing in the world is to read books which buttress your pre-existing beliefs. The hardest thing is to read books which refute them. If any Mormon or Muslim or Christian did the latter in earnest, I cannot imagine him retaining anything but a super-liberalized version of his faith. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

You should have noticed and pounced on my glaring mistake above when I mentioned Marcion. You are missing out on some extremely interesting critical scholarship.

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Robert - #38027

November 2nd 2010

Frank- I see your point. Actually i have sought to read alot of books and material that go against my beliefs, for the very reason you said.  I have read the book of mormon,pearl of great price and parts of doctrine & covenants. If i were addressing a mormon or muslim i would speak differently than i am to you, taking into consideration that they have dug in their heels and rejected my beliefs outright.  I agree totally with the admitting I might be wrong. I have no problem with that, which is why i agreed with your point about not fooling ourselves.

I will have to go back and look at current critical scholarship since you raised the subject Frank. If we were talking in person I am sure a lot of the things that get left our would not be so. Again, really do like dialoguing with you and Barry, Josh, Merv whoever else joins in.

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Barry - #38520

November 5th 2010

Robert

” God cannot be limited to the scope of naturalism and scientific method”

This is a meaningless claim. Substitute “god” for any entity and you will see why.

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Trevor K. - #39539

November 12th 2010

Time to read something else, maybe more thought provoking and edifying:
creation.com/laws-of-information-2

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