A Response to Coyne (and Contemporary Atheists Generally), Part 2
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Today's entry was written by Robert C. Bishop. Robert C. Bishop is the John and Madeline McIntyre Endowed Professor of Philosophy and History of Science and an associate professor at Wheaton College in Illinois. He received his master’s degree in physics and doctorate in philosophy from the University of Texas at Austin. Bishop's research involves history and philosophy of science, philosophy of physics, philosophy of social science, philosophy of mind and psychology and metaphysics. He is a member of the American Physical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Scientific Affiliation and the Philosophy of Science Association. Bishop is the author of The Philosophy of the Social Science and co-editor of Between Chance and Choice: Interdisciplinary Perspectives on Determinism. He has also written twenty articles for peer-reviewed journals.
In part one of this series, Robert Bishop looked at the theological, metaphysical and ethical presuppositions that permeate Coyne's critique of religion and of God as creator. Today he argues that science isn’t even the main player in Coyne and other contemporary atheists’ “scientific” attacks on God and religion.
Jerry Coyne–along with other contemporary atheists such as Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion), Daniel Dennett (Breaking the Spell), Sam Harris (The End of Faith) and Victor Stenger (God: The Failed Hypothesis)–writes about and analyzes religion using a fairly crude evidentialist epistemology. This epistemology, however, is animated by ethical ideals that have largely gone unnoticed and unexamined.
Central to Coyne and these atheists’ approach to religion is what looks to be a straightforward intellectual or scientific value: objectification. Objectification is a stance towards things that abstracts away from so-called subject-related qualities. The latter include the meanings of and relationships among things that show up within our ordinary experience, values, aims and concerns. To take an objectifying stance means to regard things in the world as independent of the meanings they might have for humans, or as independent of how these things figure in our experience.1 Instead, the objectifying stance reduces things in the world to a network of material objects and efficient causes. An example would be construing religious convictions and attitudes as univocal, propositional statements confirmable by public testing and observation, and thus as subject-independent.
Several important points should be noted about objectification as an exclusive approach to inquiry, let alone thinking about the “God question.” First, this stance is only made possible by a number of historical and cultural affordances that have everything to do with shifts in human ways of viewing the world.2 This background betrays the fact that no inquiry is rigorously objective because all inquiry requires some background assumptions. Moreover, no forms of inquiry deal directly with objective realities as objects; rather, humans always experience and deal with their objects of inquiry as interpreted realities, where these interpretations are mediated by our theoretical and experimental practices.3 This holds true for Coyne’s investigations in evolutionary genetics as much as it holds for our explorations human action and God.
Second, and related, objectification involves deleting the values and meanings making up the everyday lifeworld of our human experience. We only engage in this kind of abstraction for particular purposes. Although Coyne and other atheist authors seem to think that scientific investigation delivers a clear “No” to the question of God’s existence, this is only because of the commitments and purposes they bring to their rather naive handling of religious questions.
Third, although objectification certainly has proved its worth in natural science inquiry, religious phenomena touch a domain having much more in common with human science inquiry–a point that apparently never registers with Coyne or other atheist writers–where objectification has proven problematic to say the least.4 A key reason for objectification’s failure when applied to the human domain is that it represents as much a moral as an epistemological ideal. This moral ideal can be seen, for instance, in contemporary atheists’ insistence that moral good comes from objectifying the God hypothesis and religions phenomena in general (e.g., liberating people from antiquated superstition and false authorities, or making the world a safer and less violent place to live). Such moral implications derive from a viewpoint already animated by a moral vision of the good life for human beings, not from a scientific viewpoint.
Objectification may be a thoroughly appropriate stance to take towards understanding the properties of electrons, molecules and genomes. However, when applied to human activities and our ways of understanding our world, objectification distorts the human phenomena we are trying to understand by treating self-interpreting beings as if we are no different in kind from electrons, molecules and genomes (a value judgment if ever there was one!). For instance, one may be able to investigate and describe the geological properties of volcanoes without implicitly or explicitly judging whether it would be better if the volcano formed in a different way or place. But when investigating and describing human activity and commitment to God, such judgments about what is good are unavoidable.
Indeed, such judgments routinely show up explicitly in contemporary atheist writings. For instance, Harris and Stenger insist that demonstrating the falsity of particular conceptions of God is a good thing because these conceptions are morally reprehensible. Coyne and Dawkins applaud what they take to be the demonstrated nonexistence of God because (they say) religious beliefs foster irrationality. Even Dennett, who recognizes some positive effects of religion, complains that it would be demeaning to human nature if we required religion for such goodness.
Coyne’s naive demand for “evidence that there is a god” betrays his lack of understanding that the ideal of objectification towards the human realm, religious practices or God is deeply connected with ethical ideals.5 For instance, Richard Bernstein shows how adherence to natural science ideals of objectification in human inquiry, though purportedly fostering “value-neutral, objective claims subject only to the criteria of public testing,” turn out to harbor “disguised ideology.” These “proposed theories secrete values and reflect controversial ideological claims about what is right, good, and just” reflecting a “total intellectual orientation” anchored in a complete package of tendentious high Enlightenment ideals such as individualism, autonomy, instrumentalism, and emancipation.6
As an example, several thinkers have analyzed different versions of liberal individualism, a disguised ideology that pervasively shapes much human science inquiry.7 This is a particular ethical vision or understanding of the nature of human action with a one-sided emphasis on the individual that obscures our cultural embeddedness and downplays the value of lasting social ties. It advocates thoroughgoing neutrality towards all values as a way of promoting particular basic and laudable ends such as liberty, tolerance, individuality and human rights (which, ironically, are themselves values). Simultaneously, liberal individualism’s insistent characterization of human action and motivation as exclusively self-interested and utilitarian undermines our capacity to respect and cherish others. Thus, liberal individualism tends to erode our devotion to the admirable modern ideals of freedom, justice and respect–the very ideals that it seeks to promote.
Remarkably, such disguised ideology is part and parcel of the seemingly innocent commitment to studying human actions, religion and other human involvements through exclusive use of natural science methods.8 Coyne expresses such disguised ideology when he demands that religious convictions about God be formulated in clear, objective, publicly (i.e., scientifically) testable propositions for which “evidence” can be adduced. He cannot defend this adherence to natural science methods based on science or on the model of rationality he adopts because both of these already presuppose the very objectification in question. Instead, his reasons for demanding this naively evidentialist line of inquiry are rooted in his desire to free people from what he takes to be illegitimate authorities, superstitions, false beliefs and irrationality.
These ethical ideals may help explain various tendencies of Coyne (e.g., pursuing naive views of falsification and overly simplistic readings of the Bible in contrast to nuanced readings of nature, adopting unsophisticated forms of epistemology in his treatment of “the God question” that would not otherwise be tolerated in his biology research). The ends of freeing people from what he considers to be false beliefs and irrationality mask the adoption of lower intellectual standards as means to achieving these ends. Although rhetorically effective (perhaps only with the atheist choir!), the cost in intellectual integrity is high and quite damaging to the reputation and understanding of science (and to atheism!).
Notes
1. See, Charles Taylor (1989), Sources of the Self. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, pp. 31f.
2. James Turner (1986), Without God, Without Creed: The Origins of Unbelief in America, Johns Hopkins University Press.
3. Robert Boyle was quite clear on this for theological reasons! See Rose-Mary Sargent (1995), The Diffident Naturalist: Robert Boyle and the Philosophy of Experiment, Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
4. Robert C. Bishop (2007), The Philosophy of the Social Sciences, London: Continuum.
5. Turner (1984), especially chs. 4-6.
6. Richard Bernstein (1976), The Restructuring of Social and Political Theory, Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, pp. 31, 51.
7. See Bishop (2007) and references therein.
8. Bishop (2007).


July 4th 2011
georg, I appreciate what you are trying to do, but I’m afraid your efforts will be frustrated by the nature of religion.
Reply to this commentA religious person assumes that a few propositions are true. It’s his duty to not change his mind. This is fundamentally at odds with the kind of critical inquiry that you are advocating, which is the only way to get past the impasse. The best you can do is to convince a few spectators who are less committed. True religious persons are hardened against inquiry and will never change their mind—they take pride in not changing it!
The skeptical person says, “give me good evidence, and I’ll change my mind.” The religious person says, “give me good evidence, and I’ll explain why this new theology that someone just invented shows that I was right all along.” (See e.g. the Federal Headship model.)
July 6th 2011
Steven,
Reply to this commentLet’s just assume for the moment that I will prove myself impossible to frustrate. That’s my posture, anyway.
Let’s also assume that we agree that the issue is relevant and interesting enough for everyone who has commented on this thread, to indeed make a comment. Why waste time otherwise?
True, certain impasses are beyond debate. Others prevent true debate from taking place. That’s my target - the later of the two. This thread isn’t unique on this point… it’s pandemic across all types of forums in the universal debate. The word ‘polarized’ comes to mind - but that’s an oversimpflication.
You’re remark reveals a touch of it yourself… ‘the nature of religion’ is such and such. No denying certain aspects of human nature (it’s not religion, imo) when they have something to lose or gain. Investment is a hard thing for any of us to ignore - everyone has something to lose, when they change their mind, even if it’s only time.
However, there are greater costs than mere personal ones touching only the debators. So perhaps I need to convince everyone, then, that we all will gain something far greater by engaging in a true debate, way beyond any loss we could possible suffer to our own personal selves? As an American, that’s a tough nut to crack, no doubt.
What would I like to convince Steve of, then? I suppose it would be this: ‘a religious person’ will not likely debate freely in a ‘God/gods not allowed’ debate zone. And vice versa. Non persona grata.
Everyone’s going to have to take off their garbs, before proceeding. That’s the choice I’ve been refering to: no choir robes, no frocks, no vestures, no lab coats, and no 3-piece lobbiest suits. Certainly no straight-jackets for the nut-job on the other guy…. that is, if a real debate is req’d.
I suppose all those sorts of pre-game antics are part of how we humans warm up before the big event… but it’s really not about ‘our side’ at the end of the day. Everyone is a person first. Then we become religious or non-religious; skeptical, ad. infinitum.
Just trying to get back to ‘person to person’... I feel like most of us have been forced artificially into an ongoing ‘creationist vs. evolutionist’ debate, and I don’t buy it anymore. Sorry, this isn’t a ‘war’. The sooner we all change our minds, the sooner we might arrive to a new level of debating. Again, a choice of sorts.
July 4th 2011
georg v. n.,
Reply to this commentHow about selecting between ‘good’ evidence and ‘bad’ evidence? Merely a suggestion.
Both sides in a disagreement think their evidence is ‘good.’
Rules of debate do actually exist, and entrenchment isn’t necessarily a permenant condition. Temporary only.
Thanks to the internet, I have watched hundreds and hundreds of extended instances of applied reason. Reason is very, very useful as a way for people to connect with each other through argumentation and it seems to increase people’s convictions in their own beliefs. But I can’t ever recall seeing reason turning a significant disagreement about the truth into a mutual agreement about the truth. Put simply, how often do you see someone on the internet change their mind as a result of reason being used?
There is a real choice to be made by us, I think. It’s not like any of these issues are going to ‘go away’ because we’re entrenched. When we’re long gone, others will debate in our place. Why not make real progress now, instead of letting ourselves slip into opposing trenches? The Zax come to mind. (Dr. Suess)
So hoping that this very thread can do just that…. evolve itself into an ‘unentrenched’ state. I can think of no better place, can any of you guys?
Sure – the atheist blogosphere. Atheists claim to be guided by reason and evidence, so a community that devotes itself to reason and evidence should lead the way. Think of it as developing a positive control in an experimental approach. Once the positive control is in place, then we can use it to help guide our interpretations in a thread like this.
Here’s an example of just the latest entrenched positions among the Gnus:
But my point is that the ‘slightly bad thing’ suffered by Rebecca was not even slightly bad, it was zero bad. – Richard Dawkins
This isn’t slightly bad. It’s very bad. – PZ Myers
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/oh_no_not_againonce_more_unto.php
So develop a method that will allow people to choose, take the method to the Gnu community, and provide the evidence that the method generates a solid consensus about the truth.
July 4th 2011
BTW, if there is this method for determining truth out there, why didn’t Myers apply it instead of shutting down the debate?
Reply to this commentJuly 4th 2011
“Both sides in a disagreement think their evidence is ‘good.’”
Reply to this commentI don’t think either side claims to have “evidence”. Define “evidence”.
“Here’s an example of just the latest entrenched positions among the Gnus:”
But these are opinions on human conduct - there’s not much “evidence” that any of the opinions are “right” or “wrong” or “true” or “false”.
“provide the evidence that the method generates a solid consensus about the truth”
It’s called “the scientific method”. But it does not apply all that much to human conduct. It applies to the laws of nature - physics, chemistry, biology, etc. What “method” generates a solid consensus about “religious truth”? What “method” generates a solid consensus about “politics”?
July 4th 2011
Mike, you continue to miscast the issue. I addressed this misunderstanding in http://biologos.org/blog/a-response-to-coyne-and-contemporary-atheists-generally-part-2/CP1#comment-62999 and in #63001, #63007, #63078, and #63087.
Reply to this commentIn my last response I addressed it as follows: Mike, in the United States one-third of the government comprises the judiciary branch, whose sole purpose is to interpret law. If “purchasing objectivity” were possible then all the courts in the land would be rendered useless. Nobody, ever, anywhere, at any time, would suggest that “purchasing objectivity” is possible. You are arguing against an imaginary position.
Since this simple clarification has been ignored on five separate occasions, the obvious next step is for me to give up. So, I give up.
July 11th 2011
As I suspected, none of the Gnus were able to come up with a method to arrive at the truth regarding their many heated arguments with each other. Seven days after I noted the disagreement between Dawkins and Myers as one example, the division has only gotten deeper with the application of all that reasoning and “reality-based” thinking:
Reply to this commenthttp://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/two_awful_no-good_terribad_mis.php
July 13th 2011
As explained six times before (#62999 #63001 #63007 #63078 #63087 #63100), nobody has found a way to remove the need for the judiciary branch of government either. Even though evidence is evidence, courts continue to be necessary.
Reply to this commentYou must be the most persistent and unreachable troll I have ever encountered.
July 14th 2011
span style=“font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"”>Mike Gene,
span style=“font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"”>Sorry for the 7 day delay. Communication problems beyond my control, you see. I would discourage you from concluding that no answer to your question, based solely upon your own time table, to be the same as evidence that no answer exists at all. That, my friend, would be a hasty conclusion drawn from a crude evidentialist epistemology. Relax, I have a feeling that this is just the beginning of a new chapter in an age-long debate.
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Both sides in a disagreement think their evidence is ‘good.’
span style=“font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"”>Agreed. Poor choice of words on my part. I should have said, ‘culling the evidence’.
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i>Put simply, how often do you see someone on the internet change their mind as a result of reason being used?
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span style=“font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"”>Just once. Me. Convince me here and it will have happened twice.
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Sure – the atheist blogosphere. Atheists claim to be guided by reason and evidence, so a community that devotes itself to reason and evidence should lead the way.
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span style=“font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"”>An obfuscation, Mike.
span style=“font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";”>Are you going to wait for atheists to guide you? I certainly find it hard to believe that you’ve arrived at your own personal convictions on this issue apart from reason and evidence. Certainly your beliefs are not the result of being led by atheistic evolution.
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span style=“font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"”>Why wait, anyway? Let us lay it down on the line.
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b>Is evolutionary science EVIDENCE for a Creator/Designer, or not?
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span style=“font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";”>Is this not the single proposition of the entire forum? I think it is. But before going any further down this path, allow me to make an observation.
span style=“font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"”>This is a question of UNIVERSALITY, and nothing else. Consequently, every personal God, or personal preference to not have one, has no bearing on the particular question in a direct way.
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